View Full Version : Low Rolling resistance tyres?
Been talking with Z10 all night today regarding to
rolling resistance will effect ur crank power and uphill performance...
I only know some tyres roll quiter then the others...
on the trail should i go over size or standard size?
what is the lowest and highest rolling resistance tyres?
eckstar
19-01-09, 09:02 AM
Try a search in the tire section on mtbr.com , there was an absolutlely massive thread with tests by a german bike mag with regards to weights, rolling resistance punctures etc etc. long but a good read.
Justin Fox
19-01-09, 09:15 AM
It's not rocket science really. It's all about trade off and to add to that, there is no one BEST tyre out there. Just like saddles, it's all personal preference too.
I used to think about it so much as well. But when you go for a ride with someone like Rhys, who's running the fattest, heaviest and slowest tyres out of everyone in the group, and he's leading the pack on his 20kg downhill bike on an XC trail, then it makes you harden the fuck up about what you're riding, or running!
You could run a slick tyre at Loftus and you'd have no rolling resistance (apart from the weight of the tyre) and you'd be a lot faster rolling than the guy next to you with knobbies. But you'd have a lot less grip! (amongst other issues!).
You just have to figure out what kind of riding you love doing the most David.
Whether you live for the flats, gradual uphills and climbs, the downhills, or the technical rock gardens. That'll help you decide on which tyre's the best for you.
And, just buy a few different tyres and get experimenting. They're not THAT expensive and you can't go off reviews you read on the internet, you have to try these things for yourself.
Clifton
19-01-09, 12:50 PM
You will find that XC racers will use low rolling resistance tyres like.. Kenda SB8, Maxxis Larsen TT or Racing Ralphs. But these tyres arnt as much fun when you go out trail riding and wanna have some fun flying down the loose downhills etc.
Then at the other end of the scale you have the Maxxis Minions and other DH tyres.. which have alot more grip but are heavy and more rolling resistance.
and the same tyre run tubeless will have less rolling resistance than when it is run with a tube...
to extend this discussion a little more. How much difference does front tires play in regards to rolling resistence? Ie if i have a 2.5 nevegal up front and i have a larsen rear how will it roll?
I know this is sort of like a how long is a piece of string question but if anyone could reply that has actually tried say 2x larsen and then 1x larsen rear something knobblier up front it would be greatly appreciated.
Micro nobbies roll fast.
Try SMB8's or larsen tt's.... I think the racing ralph is whippet quick too.
Justin Fox
19-01-09, 11:20 PM
I've had 2 x 2.35 Larsen TT on Reign, 2.35 Nevegal front and 2.35Larsen TT rear and found the Larsen to be too annoyingly slippery on tech/loose climbs so I've let them go.
Now I'm running 2.1 Nevegals and would like to try a crossmark 2.1 rear OR a Larsen 2.1 rear just to see if I roll faster, or not. I'll buy both tyres ASAP and give them both a good go and report back ASAP.
LordOnOne
20-01-09, 06:06 AM
Lets not forget about our friends at Michelin, the XCR Dry2 is just as rocket fast and easy rolling as anything else. Continental Race King’s deserve some props too, they’re supposed to be amazing but I never got to find out because the blasted things are too big for my Trance…
This is the XCR Dry2, the biggest 2.0in tire I’ve ever seen!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2607374869_a8c27756c3_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2608208518_b4d5a4046a_b.jpg
Clifton
20-01-09, 12:20 PM
michelin seems to be forgotten in sydney.. i always see maxxis, kenda and schwable
singletrack
20-01-09, 12:49 PM
Lets not forget about our friends at Michelin, the XCR Dry2 is just as rocket fast and easy rolling as anything else. Continental Race King’s deserve some props too, they’re supposed to be amazing but I never got to find out because the blasted things are too big for my Trance…
This is the XCR Dry2, the biggest 2.0in tire I’ve ever seen!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2607374869_a8c27756c3_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2608208518_b4d5a4046a_b.jpg
Nice... BUT look at the minimal tread and no side knobs! Great if you don't hang in on the turns on loose over hard pack! But what trail has no loose over hard pack? Oh yeah... roads!
I had my worse stack in history a few years ago due to a summer tyre with "fast tread"- i was up right one second and man down on the inside knee teh next. OUCH!
Crossmarks are teh best low resistance tread that i've ever used. Fantastic.... and surprisingly grippy in the loose stuff! (well they give a warning when they are failing at least!)
Justin Fox
20-01-09, 01:15 PM
I wanted the Crossmarks today but Grant had none in stock so I went for the Small Block 8's which do look a shitload faster but also more slippery than the Crossmarks.
I'll report back on whether or not there's a noticable difference in rolling resistance/speed later this week.
Justin Fox
20-01-09, 05:36 PM
Tiny review, bust around the block to fine tune my gears and yes, 100%, there's a noticable difference on the road with the small block 8 on the rear. That's not much of a surprise though is it? Will have to hit the trails asap for a more in depth review.
LordOnOne
21-01-09, 10:08 AM
Nice... BUT look at the minimal tread and no side knobs! Great if you don't hang in on the turns on loose over hard pack! But what trail has no loose over hard pack? Oh yeah... roads!
I had my worse stack in history a few years ago due to a summer tyre with "fast tread"- i was up right one second and man down on the inside knee teh next. OUCH!
Crossmarks are teh best low resistance tread that i've ever used. Fantastic.... and surprisingly grippy in the loose stuff! (well they give a warning when they are failing at least!)
The Crossmark’s do have a little more grip but they’re not quite as fast, the grip on the Michelin’s is pretty similar to the Larsen TT’s and SB8’s, fuck all in loose or muddy conditions and very good on hardpack and dry.
It’s definitely worth keeping an eye on these kinds of tires, the Michelin’s washed out so fast the bike flipped over once, and completely ruined my excellent safety record of no crashes for the six years before…
Anyway, the only tires I’m really interested in trying are the new Hutchinson Cobra’s! :cool:
Me to, they look fast, but I heard they are really soft (but fast)
Justin Fox
26-01-09, 10:05 PM
Update/Repost - but the Kenda Small Block 8, folding DTC was awesome at Appin the other day. Appin was rocky, loose sand 90% single trail which was semi-technical and the tyres held up so good, rolled so fast and didn't slip ever, even on the one little techy uphill bit Appin has. I'm a fan!
singletrack
27-01-09, 08:19 AM
Update/Repost - but the Kenda Small Block 8, folding DTC was awesome at Appin the other day. Appin was rocky, loose sand 90% single trail which was semi-technical and the tyres held up so good, rolled so fast and didn't slip ever, even on the one little techy uphill bit Appin has. I'm a fan!
nice!!! I'm after a big rear tyre with low rolling in a true 2.3/ 2.4...do these puppies come in this size? (i can google of course!)
Justin Fox
27-01-09, 08:29 AM
I didn't know that they do, but yes they do! 2.35. DTC Folding 705±37g
singletrack
27-01-09, 08:54 AM
I didn't know that they do, but yes they do! 2.35. DTC Folding 705±37g
Nice. Cheers!
Found this link whilst looking for tyre info, pretty handy!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pi2kAyeNakPvxjrShdZdcLA
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