Police and 200 watt/ under 50cc compliance issues

[pieceofart123]

Hi,
I just finished a project, took it for a madin voyage short but it was very cool.

A Cop was around. He took one look at
my bike and I asked if it was legal as it complys with the legislation
and he said you will get done in and stopped by every police officer
riding that.

Now do they do that to other bikers????? This is a NSW small town

Now I am afraid to even ride what I have created....I am seeking help

I tried to tell him it complies with the legislation, and he still said you
will get a massive fine and in my case, I cannot be booked.

where can I get a NSW compliance plate?????
Do I have to get it put on a Dyno???

Why would it take only one look and have it called out????
It is a Bicycle and has petals, It requires these petals to even start the motor,
and really it is far better then driving a Jeep around....Help Please....

Thank You
Happy Holidays

[Uncle Grumpy]

I just finished a project, took it for a madin voyage short but it was very cool.

Cool. What is it? Pics?

I had some drama with a girlfriend and cops were around.

Your girlfriend called the cops? Is there more to this story than meets the eye? Is this a drunk bogan love story which ends with a domestic in the street with "I love you but I'll kill you" being shrieked? Just wondering, I don't think it's relevant but you know, you mentioned it.

Now I am afraid to even ride what I have created....I am seeking help

Well duh, we don't know what you've created. What is it? Pics?

I tried to tell him it complies with the legislation, and he still said you
will get a massive fine and in my case, I cannot be booked.

What is it? Pics?

where can I get a NSW compliance plate?????

Have you spoken to Roads and Maritime Services. Yeah, I know, it's a not a boat, but that's the new name for the RTA.

It is a Bicycle and has petals, It requires these petals to even start the motor,

Flower petals? Oh, you mean pedals.

Grumps

[pieceofart123]

Cool. What is it? Pics?



Your girlfriend called the cops? Is there more to this story than meets the eye? Is this a drunk bogan love story which ends with a domestic in the street with "I love you but I'll kill you" being shrieked? Just wondering, I don't think it's relevant but you know, you mentioned it.



Well duh, we don't know what you've created. What is it? Pics?



What is it? Pics?



Have you spoken to Roads and Maritime Services. Yeah, I know, it's a not a boat, but that's the new name for the RTA.



Flower petals? Oh, you mean pedals.

Grumps

Well,
I think you can correct my mis-spelling
and still not address the issue all day long.

A girlfriend has nothing to do with it,



I just asked if there was some information out there
that might help me to obtain a compliance plate?

I do not need answers that are not relating to this question.
Happy holidays.

[pieceofart123]

Well,
I think you can correct my mis-spelling
and still not address the issue all day long.

A girlfriend has nothing to do with it,



I just asked if there was some information out there
that might help me to obtain a compliance plate?

I do not need answers that are not relating to this question.
Happy holidays.

here is a pic,
I am having a hard time
posting it as
there is no browse tap in the insert image area.



If you can't see mine, It is a black and blue, chopper type bike
it is a big mo just like a stingray with a Z box super 48.5 cc kit.
It is fully custom and under 50cc's but I have no idea how many watts it is as the changes to
the carb position and exhaust extension
can effect all of that. Also the 44 tooth sprocket on a 20 inch tyre.
It is not fast, and it will not get me up hills without pedaling.

[pieceofart123]

I hope this works....

[Uncle Grumpy]

Well,
I think you can correct my mis-spelling
and still not address the issue all day long.

I probably could correct your spelling all day long. But yeah, I'd like to try to help, hence the reason I asked for a picture. I'd like to see that we're talking about.

Anyway, the pic did come through, thanks. That thing looks like fun. I can see how it drew attention.

A girlfriend has nothing to do with it,

Fair enough, you mentioned it (before the edit) and I thought it must have had some relevance. Sorry. How is she by the way?

I just asked if there was some information out there
that might help me to obtain a compliance plate?

The best I could find at short notice is:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati..._july_2008.pdf

Now that just tells you what you already know, which is that motorised bicycles require registration unless they are "200w or lower". 200w is easy to prove on an electric power assisted bicycle, but a bit harder to determine on a petrol engine.

Now, the cops can't rightly tell by looking at it if the engine puts out 200w or more or less, so basically they were just giving you a bit of a hard time. You were right to say that you were aware of the limit and that it complies, but unless you have some form of documentation that confirms that, you might get hassled again and next time, you might not be so lucky.

You could go to a motor vehicle engineer, as in the guys that do engineer's certificates for vehicle modifications.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...ccs/index.html

There doesn't look to be any close to you on the map.

I haven't been able to come up with a rule of thumb that says how many watts a 50cc puts out, because there are so many variables such as jetting, spark and fuel octane and as you know, carb and exhaust set up. That said, I found this:
http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=10781
and there are guys there talking about 50cc putting out well over 200w. There was a court case in NSW where there was a vehicle engineer called and his evidence was that a 50cc engine puts out more than 200w. That evidence seems to have set the benchmark for how such bikes are treated by the law.

Only way to be sure is to get it tested. Perhaps ring a couple of vehicle inspectors and ask if they test motorised bicycles. It might be an issue they come across regularly or they might laugh their heads off because the cops were being overzealous. See what they say, can't hurt. I did read on one forum that in South Australia (also a 200w limit) that the police confiscated a bike to have it tested to see if it exceeded the 200w.

I see it as a bit of a joke to enforce. Get the thing checked, get a certificate showing 199w, do some mods, higher octane fuel, get it up to 250w and wave around the certificate showing it at 199w. Not as if you're going to have to get annual rego.

I do not need answers that are not relating to this question.
Happy holidays.

Well, my answers related to the issue, although I'm not sure if it was helpful.

Good luck mate, keep us posted with the results.

Grumps

[Lorday]

Can you do burn outs on it mate?

[hewey]

Have you got a receipt for the engine and/or the engine specs? Surely the manufacturer of the engine would have some stats on the power output of their engine? If there is a brand on the engine maybe email or call them and ask if they can provide the output power?

On a side note you buy/build something that looks just like a real motorbike, ride it around on the street with no rego and then wonder why the cops hassle you?